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The story...
...a group (perhaps multiple groups) of young
Israeli men, in which some where found out to be Mossad agents, were
filming the Twin Towers on 9/11 before the attack and then were
celebrating and taking pictures of themselves with the burning WTC
in the background... http://killtown.blogspot.com/2005/11/dancing-israelis-on-911.html
Our take...
This Fox News article is one of the
most quoted sources of the foreknowledge claim:
Friday, September 14, 2001
"The New York
Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video
cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and
were seen congratulating one another afterwards." - FOX http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34250,00.html
This is referring to another article, though. We browsed the
New York Times archive and believe this is what Fox were talking
about:
Separately, officials said a group of about five
men were now under investigation in Union City, suspected of
assisting the hijackers. In addition, the officials said the men had
apparently set up cameras near the Hudson River and fixed them on
the World Trade Center. They photographed the attacks and were said
to have congratulated each other afterward, officials said.
AFTER THE ATTACKS: THE INVESTIGATION; BIN LADEN TIE CITED
By DAVID JOHNSTON AND JAMES RISEN Published: September 13,
2001 New York Times
The setting up of the cameras “prior to the attacks” is an
inference from the phrase “they photographed the attacks” in this
report. It’s a reasonable literal interpretation, but that
doesn’t necessarily make it true: a New York resident who took
photos of what happened on 9/11 may well describe those images as
“my pictures of the 9/11 attacks”, for instance, even if they didn’t
include any shots of the initial plane impacts.
Even if
the unnamed officials were saying the cameras were set up before the
attack, these may be reports of the allegations they are
investigating. The report does talk of the men “apparently”
setting up cameras near the Hudson River, for instance, and that
they said “said” to have congratulated each other
afterwards. The report itself is very early, published on the
13th, perhaps written less than 24 hours after they were arrested,
so it would be surprising if these officials had reached definitive
conclusions.
Of course it’s difficult to form meaningful
conclusions by simply analysing one or two words. That is
demonstrated more than adequately here:
Several of the detainees discussed their experience
in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. Said one
of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning
of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country
that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the
event."
How did they know there would be an event to
document on 9/11? http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html
Here it’s suggested that saying “our purpose was to document the
event” is in itself somehow suspicious, that it indicates
foreknowledge. Why? We’ve no idea. Every single
person who pointed a camera at the WTC on 9/11 did so because they
wanted to “document the event”. The phrase indicates precisely
nothing at all.
Let’s abandon the second-hand reports, then,
and look at what the witness to this filming actually
said. This ABC article crops up a lot:
Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a
view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment
building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the
first plane hit the towers. She grabbed her binoculars and watched
the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the
disaster, something else caught her eye.
Maria says she saw
three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking
lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie,"
Maria said.
The men were taking video or photos of themselves
with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said.
What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They
were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me. I
thought it was very strange," she said.
She found the
behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number
of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on
the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.
The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company
called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted
on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A
police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and
27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at
gunpoint and handcuffed by police. ABC
source
There’s nothing here to support the foreknowledge claim. The
time frame as to when she noticed them is vague, but it definitely
came after the call from a neighbour, which itself followed the
first plane hitting the towers.
What’s more, if you look at
the full 20/20 transcript from which this story is derived, you find
that Maria says she saw the van park after she’d been
watching the WTC for a few minutes. And so they did not film
the first impact. The report also talks about other issues
involved with this story, so we’ve not snipped any of those and you
should read the whole lot, however we’ve emphasised Maria’s
testimony so that’s easier to pick out:
Copyright 2002 American Broadcasting Companies,
Inc. ABC News
SHOW: 20/20 (10:00 PM ET) -
ABC
June 21, 2002 Friday
HEADLINE: Five Israeli men
arrested soon after 9/11 might have been working for Israeli
intelligence, but likely did not know beforehand about the
attacks
ANCHORS: BARBARA WALTERS; JOHN
MILLER
Announcer: From Times Square in New York, Barbara
Walters and John Miller. BARBARA WALTERS, co-host: Good
evening, and welcome to 20/20.
Tonight, a very important
20/20 investigation into a very ugly story that's made its way
around the world since September 11th. The story is that Israel
knew more than it would like to admit about the terrorist attack in
this coun-try. It's a rumor, but in some Arab
countries--including Saudi Arabia, which I visited earlier this
year--even educated people told me that they believe it is
absolutely true. So how could such a rumor take hold? And
John, I know that you have been looking into this now for
months.
JOHN MILLER, co-host: We have. And when you
try to trace the roots of this rumor, all roads seem to lead to the
arrest of of group of Israeli men on the very day of the attacks,
men who seemed coincidentally to be in the right place at the right
time, and behaving strangely. Why did they become the focus of
months of investigation by the FBI and the CIA? Why were they
repeatedly asked by the FBI if they had any advance knowledge of the
attacks, and in fact, did they? Surprisingly, the tip that led to
the arrests of these five men did not come from a spy satellite, it
came from a New Jersey housewife.
(VO) On the morning of
September 11th, Maria--who asked us not to use her last name--was
home preparing for her day, when she got a call from a friend who
lived upstairs in the same New Jersey high-rise.
MARIA: She
was sitting when she heard a noise, at the same time she felt like
it--it shook--like the building shook, she said. She called me
immediately. She said, 'You know, there's--there's something wrong,
look at your window by the twin towers.' So I grab my binoculars and
I could see the towers from my window. And this is where I,
you know, I'm looking. I saw the smoke from the top, just from
the top of the towers.
MILLER: (VO) After watching for a
little while, something caught Maria's at-tention in the parking lot
below her window.
MARIA: Like a few minutes must have gone
on, and all of a sudden down there I see this van park. And I
see three guys on top of the van, and I'm trying, you know, to look
at the building but what caught my attention, they seemed to be
taking a movie.
MILLER: (VO) Maria says the three young
men were kneeling on the roof of a white van. It was parked
right here. They were taking pictures of each other with the
World Trade Center burning in the background.
MARIA: And I
could see that they were, like, happy, you know? They--they--they
weren't--they didn't look shocked to me, you know? They didn't
look shocked. I thought it was very strange.
MILLER:
(VO) Maria found the behavior so suspicious she wrote down the
li-cense plate number. She and her husband, Pat, called the
police. Soon police and the FBI were on the scene. The
license plate was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban
Moving. A state-wide alarm was transmitted over the police
radio. Deputy Chief ROBERT DEL PRIORE (Weehawken Police
Department): It stated in--in effect, to be on the lookout for an
Urban Movers van with a license plate number that was given
out.
MILLER: (VO) Around 4 PM that day, this white Chevy van
was stopped by police near Giants Stadium in New Jersey. Inside
it were five men, all in their 20s. These grainy photos of the event
were taken by a man who witnessed the scene from a nearby
hotel.
(OC) The van was stopped right here. Police
pulled the five men out at gun point and handcuffed them. And
almost immediately, police say, there was plenty to be suspicious
of. One of the men had $4700 in cash hidden in his sock.
An-other was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was
found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for police
was when the five men identified themselves as being
Israeli.
(VO) According to Officer Scott DeCarlo's police
report, one of the passen-gers told him, "We were on the West Side
Highway in New York City during the in-cident," not behind Maria's
apartment building in New Jersey. The driver told them, 'We are
Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our
problems. The Palestinians are the problem.' The men ranged
in age from 22 to 27. The driver was Sivan Kurzberg. The
other passengers included his brother, Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel,
Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men, who all said they worked
for Urban Moving, were taken to this new Jersey State Police Station
and questioned by the FBI.
(OC) ABC News has learned that
after the five men were taken to jail, the en-tire case was
transferred out of FBI's criminal division and into its foreign
counterintelligence section, which is responsible for espionage
cases. One rea-son for the shift, according to our sources, is that
the FBI believed Urban Mov-ing may have provided a cover for agents
of Israeli intelligence. Urban Moving is owned by Dominic Suter
(ph), an Israeli businessman. After the five men were arrested
in one of his vans, the FBI got a warrant and searched the company's
offices.
Ms. PAULINE STEPKOVICH: (ph) The FBI was here hours.
Hours.
MILLER: (VO) Pauline Stepkovich, who lives right
across the street from Urban Moving, watched as federal
investigators went in and out of the building.
Ms.
STEPKOVICH: Two SUVs were filled up with between nine and 12 boxes
and computers.
MILLER: (VO) Dominic Suter's attorney confirms
that the FBI removed boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard
drives from Urban Moving. He insists his client answered all of the
FBI's questions. But a few days later, when the FBI wanted to
interview Mr. Suter again, he was gone. Our 20/20 cameras took
these pictures inside Urban Moving some three months later. And as
you can see, it looked like Suter shut down the business in a big
hurry. Cell phones and personal effects were lying around
Suter's office, the phones were still connected with hundreds of
messages waiting. There were job applications to be processed,
and the property of dozens of families packed in the
warehouse. Dominic Suter's company closed down in such a hurry,
some of their customers, like Frank Crisp (ph), were left
hanging.
Mr. FRANK CRISP: They were--they were really short
on the--on the phone, and it was like they wanted to get off
and--and get out.
MILLER: (VO) Dominic Suter cleared out of
his New Jersey home, too, and he'd put it up for sale. Suter
and his family had returned to Israel. We called him there, but he
refused to talk to us about Urban Moving. Was Israeli
intelligence using Urban Moving as a cover?
(OC) And if not,
why did the company suddenly shut down after the five em-ployees
arrested? Why did the owner abruptly leave the country, leaving
behind a significant investment, a thriving business, and a lot of
unhappy customers? The FBI needed answers to three important
questions: Who were these men? What brought them to that
parking lot on the morning of September 11th? And did they have any
advanced knowledge of what was going to happen that day?
Mr.
STEVE GORDON: So you got a group of guys that are taking pictures on
top of a roof, of the World Trade Center, they're speaking a foreign
language, they got two passports on them, one's got a wad of cash on
him and they've got box cutters. Now that's a scary
situation.
MILLER: (VO) Steve Gordon was the attorney for the
five Israeli detainees. We interviewed him back in October, shortly
after 20/20 began investigating this incident. (OC) So who are
these kids, and how did they get entangled in this?
Mr.
GORDON: They're five young kids who--who left Israel, tried to leave
a war zone, if you so will. They came to America. They
came here, initially, for a vacation. They came here to work
and they started work for a moving company.
MILLER: Now, the
witness that we interviewed said that they were acting very
strangely.
Mr. GORDON: If her story is to be believed, then
of course I don't believe I nor anybody else would--would condone
any type of behavior.
MARIA: You know, they're
laughing. They're laughing. One of them, I no-ticed,
distinctively, put his hand on top of the other guy why they're
filming, on top of his shoulder.
Mr. GORDON: Indeed, I did
ask them about that, and they denied celebrating, they denied
rejoicing.
MILLER: So were they horsing around?
Mr.
GORDON: They were not horsing around. And the very first
question that I asked Mr. Ellner was, 'Tell me what--what happened.'
He said, 'We were taking pictures.' Were they smiling in those
photographs? Perhaps they were smiling.
MILLER: (VO)
Sources tell 20/20 the FBI developed film from a camera taken from
the Israelis, and that it shows the three on top of the white van
were smiling and appeared to be clowning around. The five
Israelis were held at this federal jail for allegedly overstaying
their visas.
(OC) In fact, within two weeks, an immigration
judge routinely ordered them deported. But that is when,
according to sources who spoke to 20/20, the FBI and CIA put a hold
on the case. And over the next two months, some of the men were
held in solitary confinement, questioned repeatedly and some of them
were given up to seven lie detector tests. Clearly this was more
than your average immigration case.
(OC) So when they were
being questioned and when they were being polygraphed, what were the
questions they were being asked?
Mr. GORDON: I believe the
questions surrounded what they were doing in Amer-ica, what were
they--were doing on September 11th with regard to whether or not
they actually had any involvement in the World Trade Center
incident. They were asked questions if they had ever been approached
by or hired by any non-United States intelligence
community.
MILLER: (VO) Since their arrest, there has been
plenty of speculation and ru-mor about who these men were and what
they were doing that morning. Eventually The Forward, a respected
Jewish newspaper in New York, reported that the FBI concluded that
at least two of them were Mossad operatives. That is, agents of
Israeli intelligence.
Mr. VINCE CANNISTRARO: When the federal
investigators checked the names of the people who had been arrested
through a national intelligence database, some of the names came up
as hits.
MILLER: (VO) Vince Cannistraro is a former chief of
operations for counter-terrorism with the Central Intelligence
Agency. Now he's a consultant with ABC News. He says many
in the US intelligence community believe that some of the men
arrested in the white van were in the US working for Israeli
intelligence. They speculate that Urban Moving was being used by
Israel as an intelligence front.
Mr. CANNISTRARO: ...set up
or exploited for the purpose of launching an op-eration, an
intelligence operation, against radical Islamics in the area,
par-ticularly in the New Jersey/New York area.
MILLER: (VO)
Under the scenario, the spying operation was not aimed against the
United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising
and support networks in Muslim communities like Patterson, New
Jersey, which was one of the places where several of the hijackers
lived in the months prior to 9/11.
Mr. CANNISTRARO: Israeli
government has been concerned about activity of radical Islamic
groups in the United States. There could be a support apparatus
to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, two groups which are conducting the
majority of the suicide bombings in Israel.
MILLER: (VO) The
suspicion that some of the young men might be with Israeli
intelligence, coupled with the account of their odd behavior on the
van, raised serious questions for investigators.
Mr.
CANNISTRARO: The fear of some of the FBI investigators in this
particular case was that this group had some advanced knowledge of
what was going to happen on 9/11. And once they understood that
there was an Israeli connection--an Is-raeli intelligence
connection--they became very disturbed, because the implica-tion was
that the Israelis may have had some advanced knowledge of the events
of 9/11 and hadn't told us.
MILLER: (VO) For the FBI,
deciphering the truth about the five Israelis proved to be
difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie
de-tector test. But after 10 weeks in jail he did take the
polygraph and failed it. One of his lawyers later told us
Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once
work for Israeli intelligence in another country. Later, he
took a second polygraph test. His lawyer says the results were more
favorable. Sources tell 20/20, after high-level negotiations
between Israeli and US gov-ernment officials, a settlement was
worked out. And after 71 days, the five Is-raelis were taken
out of jail, put on a plane and deported back home. 20/20 traveled
to Israel to try and meet the five young men and ask them, were they
part of an Israeli intelligence operation in the United
States. We went to a small town outside of Jerusalem to meet
Paul Kurzberg.
Mr. PAUL KURZBERG: (Through translator) I went
to work over there because, I don't know, the situation here is not
the best.
MILLER: (VO) This is Kurzberg's younger brother,
Sivan, who was one of the three men on top of the van that
morning.
Mr. SIVAN KURZBERG: (Through translator) They took
away two months of my life. During that time I was supposed to
be on a trip that I had planned when I started my military
service.
MILLER: (VO) Although Paul and Sivan would not talk
with us about the inci-dent, Sivan and two of the other detainees
did go on an Israeli talk show after their return. Oded Ellner
denied they were laughing or happy that today.
Mr. ODED
ELLNER: (Through translator, from Israeli talk show) Nothing of the
kind, the fact of the matter is, we are coming from a country that
experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the
event.
MILLER: (VO) Ellner also complained that they had been
mistreated and sub-jected to repeated interrogations.
Mr.
ELLNER: (Through translator, from Israeli talk show) And at that
point, we were taken for another round of questioning, this time
related to our alleg-edly being members of Mossad.
MILLER:
(VO) Their attorney in Israel is Ram Horvitz.
Mr. RAM
HORVITZ: This story about the five boys being connected with Israeli
intelligence is the most stupid and ridiculous story that I ever
heard, and it is nonsense. I don't know who invented this
story.
Mr. MARK REGAV: These men were not involved in any way
in any intelligence operation in the United States.
MILLER:
(VO) Mark Regav, the spokesman for the Israeli embassy in
Washington, goes even further to say the issue was never even
discussed with the US offi-cials.
Mr. REGAV: These five
Israelis were not involved in any intelligence opera-tion in the
United States. And the Americans, the American intelligence
au-thorities, have never raised this issue with us. The story
is simply false.
MILLER: (VO) Source tell 20/20 there is
still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were
spies. But many in the US intelligence commu-nity believe that
some of the men were engaged in espionage for Israel. However,
sources also tell us, even if they were spies, there was no evidence
to conclude they had advanced knowledge of the terrorist attacks of
9/11.
Mr. CANNISTRARO: The investigation, at the end of the
day, after all of the polygraphs, all of the field work, all of the
cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably
did not have advanced knowledge of 9/11.
WALTERS: John, so
the FBI has concluded that these men did not have any ad-vanced
knowledge of the attack on the Trade Center.
MILLER: And they
seem to be comfort with that conclusion.
WALTERS:
OK. Then what were they doing looking at the World Trade Center
then?
MILLER: They say that they read about the attack on the
Internet, went to the roof of the moving company, couldn't really
see it, and then went to the higher ground to get a better view and
to take pictures.
WALTERS: Well, all right, but why were they
smiling?
MILLER: Well, that's been the most difficult
question. And the only explana-tions we've had, both from the
lawyer and from the Israeli government, is chalk-ing that up just to
immature conduct.
WALTERS: But the bottom line is, that there
is no evidence that these men knew about the attacks in
advance.
MILLER: No. And I think the FBI and the CIA
spent a great deal of time try-ing to drill down to that answer and
found no proof of that.
WALTERS: Well, I hope that we have
put this rumor to rest once and for all.
MILLER: We've
certainly tried.
WALTERS: We'll be right back.
This doesn’t completely end the issue, as there are other reports
of them “dancing” prior to this (also denied). Their lawyer
said:
On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys
went up on the roof of the building where the company office is
located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers
collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right
afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and
claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the
background of the burning towers. The five denied dancing. I presume
the neighbor was not near them and does not understand Hebrew.
Furthermore, the neighbor complained that the cheerful gang on the
roof spoke Arabic. As far as I understand it, that neighbor has had
previous problems with the company, and she could have been waiting
for an opportunity to avenge the owners.
Anyhow, the three
left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot,
located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked,
stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed
towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above
the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging
high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported
on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied
and reported the license plates. http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/02/03/WTC/spies10.html
However, there’s still no witness evidence to support the claim
that they were set up and filming before the attacks
occurred.
This page is intended to focus solely on the
foreknowledge issue, but plainly (as you can see above) there are
other considerations, too. By all means read the Killtown
article, WhatReallyHappened
page and anything else you can find for more on these, but be
sure you check sources carefully. We’ve seen this story used as
evidence that the Israelis’ van contained explosives, for
instance:
Three arrested with van full of explosives
4:27:11 AM
Reports from New York are saying three
people have been arrested with a van of explosives.
The van
was stopped along the New Jersey turn-pike near the George
Washington Bridge.
It was not clear why police stopped the
van but when they did they found it was laden down with tonnes of
explosives. http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/12/story23429.asp
But mysteriously this correction from the same source, issued
less than 8 minutes after the first story, doesn’t get the same
attention:
Police confirm arrests but deny explosives find
4:34:43 AM
NYPD officers have confirmed the arrest
of three men on the New Jersey turn-pike.
However officials
denied any explosives were found in the van.
Officials
declined to say why exactly the men had been
arrested.
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/2001/09/12/story23430.asp
Question everything you read, then (even here). And we may
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